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		<title>By: pattigibbons.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blog Tour: Inside the Mind of Youth Pastors by Mark Riddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>pattigibbons.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blog Tour: Inside the Mind of Youth Pastors by Mark Riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One of the &#8220;big ideas&#8221; that struck me from Inside the Mind was Mark&#8217;s brief discussion of the optimal age of a youth pastor.  You can see that previous discussion here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the &#8220;big ideas&#8221; that struck me from Inside the Mind was Mark&#8217;s brief discussion of the optimal age of a youth pastor.  You can see that previous discussion here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Scott.  Developing leaders while they are still in youth group and then mentoring them under more mature leadership (while still allowing them to minister with their gifts) is a splendid way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Scott.  Developing leaders while they are still in youth group and then mentoring them under more mature leadership (while still allowing them to minister with their gifts) is a splendid way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Franciscus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Franciscus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Each age group faces different experiences and has different needs in their faith journey. However, when we break them up and attempt to minister to them solely based on their age bracket, I cannot help but think that we are doing a disservice to them. Our Christian faith is not one of isolation, but designed for community. As such, we should minister as a community. 

Often the question is raised, what do we do with the post-youth group age group. My question is, why have they not been integrated into the ministry of the church so there is a seamless transition from post youth group?

Let also be honest, not everyone is called into the ministry be it senior pastor or youth pastor, or any other host of specializations we have created. Perhaps our churches and our colleges should be doing more to help is the discernment process, rather than churning out graduates in their 20s looking for a job in youth ministry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each age group faces different experiences and has different needs in their faith journey. However, when we break them up and attempt to minister to them solely based on their age bracket, I cannot help but think that we are doing a disservice to them. Our Christian faith is not one of isolation, but designed for community. As such, we should minister as a community. </p>
<p>Often the question is raised, what do we do with the post-youth group age group. My question is, why have they not been integrated into the ministry of the church so there is a seamless transition from post youth group?</p>
<p>Let also be honest, not everyone is called into the ministry be it senior pastor or youth pastor, or any other host of specializations we have created. Perhaps our churches and our colleges should be doing more to help is the discernment process, rather than churning out graduates in their 20s looking for a job in youth ministry?</p>
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		<title>By: jeff greathouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff greathouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the &quot;professional&quot; ministry, I believe that we need to go more &quot;in-depth&quot;. We need to have internships, fellowships and residencies and then &quot;launch&quot; them into ft ministry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the &#8220;professional&#8221; ministry, I believe that we need to go more &#8220;in-depth&#8221;. We need to have internships, fellowships and residencies and then &#8220;launch&#8221; them into ft ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: patti</title>
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		<dc:creator>patti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that there&#039;s consensus about a YP being a bit older than has been the tradition.  

I see that there&#039;s a sense that &quot;emerging adults&quot; as the quote calls them (not emerging church... different emerging altogether) should be ministered to, developed in their leadership, and so on, before being entrusted with the reigns solo.

I hear that, and I don&#039;t disagree with that necessarily - for any formal pastoral role (not just YP).  In fact, I think a similar argument could be made for a great many jobs, not just in the church.  I also think that believers are not to discriminate by age alone (1 Tim 4:12), leaving room for taking this on a case by case basis.

That said, &lt;b&gt;I&#039;m still wondering what we do with/for 18-25 year olds, in a real, practical, equip them for ministry sense.&lt;/b&gt;  The &quot;old way&quot; of youth ministry has produced a system of more education for vocational youth ministry - I think that&#039;s a good thing. However, we&#039;re now turning out college educated 22-year-olds with youth ministry on their minds and hearts - and student loans and, perhaps, even dependents.  And, there&#039;s no real way to &quot;employ&quot; them in that in-between stage, that I&#039;ve seen.

So what COULD we do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that there&#8217;s consensus about a YP being a bit older than has been the tradition.  </p>
<p>I see that there&#8217;s a sense that &#8220;emerging adults&#8221; as the quote calls them (not emerging church&#8230; different emerging altogether) should be ministered to, developed in their leadership, and so on, before being entrusted with the reigns solo.</p>
<p>I hear that, and I don&#8217;t disagree with that necessarily &#8211; for any formal pastoral role (not just YP).  In fact, I think a similar argument could be made for a great many jobs, not just in the church.  I also think that believers are not to discriminate by age alone (1 Tim 4:12), leaving room for taking this on a case by case basis.</p>
<p>That said, <b>I&#8217;m still wondering what we do with/for 18-25 year olds, in a real, practical, equip them for ministry sense.</b>  The &#8220;old way&#8221; of youth ministry has produced a system of more education for vocational youth ministry &#8211; I think that&#8217;s a good thing. However, we&#8217;re now turning out college educated 22-year-olds with youth ministry on their minds and hearts &#8211; and student loans and, perhaps, even dependents.  And, there&#8217;s no real way to &#8220;employ&#8221; them in that in-between stage, that I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>So what COULD we do?</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Mann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person who came to know the Lord later in life, I can tell you that simple maturity didn&#039;t start setting in until I was 25, let alone spiritual maturity. I was 25 when I decided it was time to get a life, even as a non-Christian!  But as to spiritual maturity, that also goes to leading youth later in life. I was 30 when I started attending an evening Bible Study as my entry into walking the walk as a born again Christian.  I started attending the church we met in shortly thereafter. It wasn&#039;t long before the pastor asked me to lead the youth.  Heck, I didn&#039;t even know much about the spiritual walk myself, and he wanted me to lead others. Although, at the time, I was probably one of the few with a spiritual walk, if you know what I mean. But I certainly wasn&#039;t ready to lead, even though I was older!  I did it and we all learned together, but the issue of spiritual maturity needs to be addressed as well in the hiring of Youth Leadership. And I&#039;m DEFINITELY in the boat with having youth as student leaders to start their ministry walk.  We should never squash an opportunity to serve in some way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person who came to know the Lord later in life, I can tell you that simple maturity didn&#8217;t start setting in until I was 25, let alone spiritual maturity. I was 25 when I decided it was time to get a life, even as a non-Christian!  But as to spiritual maturity, that also goes to leading youth later in life. I was 30 when I started attending an evening Bible Study as my entry into walking the walk as a born again Christian.  I started attending the church we met in shortly thereafter. It wasn&#8217;t long before the pastor asked me to lead the youth.  Heck, I didn&#8217;t even know much about the spiritual walk myself, and he wanted me to lead others. Although, at the time, I was probably one of the few with a spiritual walk, if you know what I mean. But I certainly wasn&#8217;t ready to lead, even though I was older!  I did it and we all learned together, but the issue of spiritual maturity needs to be addressed as well in the hiring of Youth Leadership. And I&#8217;m DEFINITELY in the boat with having youth as student leaders to start their ministry walk.  We should never squash an opportunity to serve in some way!</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper Rains</title>
		<link>http://pattigibbons.com/?p=949&#038;cpage=1#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper Rains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find a lot of wisdom in what Mark has to say. I think that as I get older I realize how much wisdom and spiritual maturity come with age. I think churches are short sighted to advertise wanting a person in their 20s for a position. There is so much growth that happened in my life after my 25th birthday. I know that I began to understand consequences better. I began to understand parents better. I was slower to anger. I was better with people.

That being said, I also feel that a lot of that growth came from the five years of student ministry I had put in by my 25th birthday. Some of that knowledge came from DOING ministry all that time. still, I wonder if some of those lessons would have been better learned as a small group or volunteer leader under a more experienced youth pastor.

I think far too often in our line of work youth wins over experience. I think the tide is turning as more and more of us are in student ministry for the long haul. As we take student ministry to be more than just a stepping stone into other areas of service in church life, I think more churches will embrace experience and age over energy and youthfulness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find a lot of wisdom in what Mark has to say. I think that as I get older I realize how much wisdom and spiritual maturity come with age. I think churches are short sighted to advertise wanting a person in their 20s for a position. There is so much growth that happened in my life after my 25th birthday. I know that I began to understand consequences better. I began to understand parents better. I was slower to anger. I was better with people.</p>
<p>That being said, I also feel that a lot of that growth came from the five years of student ministry I had put in by my 25th birthday. Some of that knowledge came from DOING ministry all that time. still, I wonder if some of those lessons would have been better learned as a small group or volunteer leader under a more experienced youth pastor.</p>
<p>I think far too often in our line of work youth wins over experience. I think the tide is turning as more and more of us are in student ministry for the long haul. As we take student ministry to be more than just a stepping stone into other areas of service in church life, I think more churches will embrace experience and age over energy and youthfulness.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got my first job in youth ministry as a 17 year old.  Truly a silly thing for a church to do.  I worked in churches with youth for the next 3 years without major incident.  i am thankful for the experience, but I was not prepared for all that the job entailed.

In my 30&#039;s, when I was doing youth ministry in a local church (a little more prepared then), I discovered that my best volunteers and my most committed youth leaders were older, wiser folk I had a 60 year old that was incredible). I still kept some college aged folks around the team...but I learned that the youth actually preferred my older team members, and the older team members were the most effective leaders.

Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got my first job in youth ministry as a 17 year old.  Truly a silly thing for a church to do.  I worked in churches with youth for the next 3 years without major incident.  i am thankful for the experience, but I was not prepared for all that the job entailed.</p>
<p>In my 30&#8242;s, when I was doing youth ministry in a local church (a little more prepared then), I discovered that my best volunteers and my most committed youth leaders were older, wiser folk I had a 60 year old that was incredible). I still kept some college aged folks around the team&#8230;but I learned that the youth actually preferred my older team members, and the older team members were the most effective leaders.</p>
<p>Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: patti</title>
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		<dc:creator>patti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@andy - thanks for sharing your experience and ideas.

@michelle - I actually thought of &quot;that nineteen-year-old kid&quot; you mentioned, in addition to a few others dear to me, when I read some of the parts of this book. You make good points, and I agree with you on each of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@andy &#8211; thanks for sharing your experience and ideas.</p>
<p>@michelle &#8211; I actually thought of &#8220;that nineteen-year-old kid&#8221; you mentioned, in addition to a few others dear to me, when I read some of the parts of this book. You make good points, and I agree with you on each of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. None of this should be taken as disparaging involvement by younger people on a volunteer or assistant sort of level.  There is a huge difference between helping and leading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. None of this should be taken as disparaging involvement by younger people on a volunteer or assistant sort of level.  There is a huge difference between helping and leading.</p>
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