As sometimes happens during the day, I was chatting on instant messenger about youth ministry with Adam yesterday. We were talking about a mutual interest, something he was planning out a blog post on – discipleship. As the conversation rambled around some ideas, my interest was grabbed by a particular facet (or tangent, lol) about the same time as Adam updated his twitter account. The following exchange grew from there (non-twitter users should keep in mind that twitter is a timeline of posts in which @ means ‘reply to’; I’ve tried to arrange them in a more conversational order):
mclanea Have a fun theology of discipleship conversation with @pattigibbons. Booyah! about 23 hours ago from web
MarkMatlock @pattigibbons I’ll take you up on that conversation! Got some notes to share?
about 23 hours ago from web in reply to pattigibbons
mclanea @MarkMatlock I took notes. I’m working on a video post for my blog. @pattigibbons totally just schooled my hypothesis! about 23 hours ago from web in reply to MarkMatlock
pattigibbons @MarkMatlock we’re hunting for the place where the disciple car got disconnected from family and hooked up to church about 23 hours ago from web in reply to MarkMatlock
CoffeeWithChris @pattigibbons hmmm, what are you thinking? I was on the Industrial Revolution & start of Sunday school track? about 23 hours ago from web in reply to pattigibbons
pattigibbons @CoffeeWithChris I think that’s a spot, but it may go back even further about 23 hours ago from web in reply to CoffeeWithChris
pattigibbons @CoffeeWithChris I think that’s an important spot, and the most contemporary, but I’m wondering about the days of church as primary educator about 22 hours ago from web in reply to CoffeeWithChris
CoffeeWithChris @pattigibbons just went and talked to one of the other pastors on staff here, first place he went to was Constantine & the Empire… about 23 hours ago from web in reply to pattigibbons
pattigibbons @CoffeeWithChris I’d have to hear more to blame Constantine for this one (he did plenty, but I’m not sure originated this disconnect) about 22 hours ago from web in reply to CoffeeWithChris
MarkMatlock @CoffeeWithChris My feeling is that the church is putting the blame for it’s failure on parents without offering much in the way of example. about 19 hours ago from web in reply to CoffeeWithChris
MarkMatlock @pattigibbons Hmmm..the Great Commission wasn’t given to families. The call was for disciples to make disciples. I’d love your thoughts. about 22 hours ago from web in reply to pattigibbons
CoffeeWithChris @MarkMatlock true but that doesn’t imply the institutional church either, right? Deuteronomy says for parents to teach their children… about 22 hours ago from web in reply to MarkMatlock
pattigibbons @MarkMatlock if parents are disciples, and if the OT instr to teach your children are both in effect, there should be cooperation on that about 21 hours ago from web in reply to MarkMatlock
MarkMatlock @coffeewithchris @pattigibbons I’m just shooting from the hip here btw. I like this conversation. about 19 hours ago from web in reply to CoffeeWithChris
MarkMatlock @pattigibbons I do agree with you, but feel the real problem came when we separated disciple making and evangelism. about 19 hours ago from web in reply to pattigibbons
pattigibbons @MarkMatlock we agree on that as well. I’m of the strong opinion that the best evangelism is Christians being truly Christian in real life. about 19 hours ago from web in reply to MarkMatlock
MarkMatlock @CoffeeWithChris I agree, but the OT context is specific under a theocratic culture. Still relevant, but church has responsibility. about 19 hours ago from web in reply to CoffeeWithChris
CoffeeWithChris @MarkMatlock totally agree, it has to be “both/and” instead of “either/or” about 19 hours ago from web in reply to MarkMatlock
So, a little theological discussion 140 characters at a time, and it’s still on my mind! Do you have ideas about discipleship, the family and the church? Would love to hear it, and the comments here accept more than 140 characters! Please feel free to chime in.
Adam posted his thoughts about discipleship in youth ministry in a video called Open Ended Discipleship [click here to go to that post]. A different facet of the conversation, but an important related question for youth ministry.